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Hynek you want me to investigate flying

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saucers I want you to help me prove to

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the public the truth they don't exist

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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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space

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague one evening I

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arrived home to be greeted by a

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mysterious envelope in the mail upon

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opening it my eyes immediately lit up

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inside was my own personal project

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Bluebook file would not only authentic

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UFO case reports and photos but a

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package titled video evidence this all

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compliments of the History Channel for

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their brand-new show Project Blue Book

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it was clear they meant business in that

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video evidence it was actually the first

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six episodes of the show for me to

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review

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you're going to hear directly from the

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show's creator David O'Leary and the

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showrunner Sean Jablonski what prompted

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David to write a show based on the work

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of J Allen Hynek what attracted Sean to

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the project and just exactly how close

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does the show stay to the actual life

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and work of Hynek and others involved

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with Project Blue Book tune in right now

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to find out David thank you so much for

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joining me on somewhere in the skies

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my pleasure happy to be here awesome so

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I did get to briefly see you at an event

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the screening of the Bob Lazar

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documentary by Jeremy Korbel I did not

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get to talk to you it was too crazy too

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nuts and I was going to be talking to

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you in two days anyways so like what

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three seats away from each other tonight

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or in here we are two days later talking

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and it's like it's great I love stuff

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like that I mean it's a sign that we are

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meant to have this conversation

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exactly stars have aligned and I think

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they have for you guys as well and we're

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gonna we're gonna get into that but so I

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had the I had the immense pleasure of

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seeing the first six episodes of your

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show and I've had a lot of people asking

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me for you know for specifics and asking

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me what I thought about the show I

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haven't told them anything yet um the

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only thing I'm really telling them is

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you know it's so much

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like growing up with the Harry Potter

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books and then seen that first movie for

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the first time everything is lifted off

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that page it's brought to life for you

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specifically for you and for someone

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like J Allen Hynek the hero The

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Godfather of ufology I got chills man

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the first time you know you're one of

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the first people who wasn't involved in

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the creation on the show to see the show

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so high I really appreciate that I'm

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really glad you like thank you and yes I

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mean I was given the first six episodes

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in possibly the most elaborate beautiful

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press packet I've ever seen it might

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those things are incredible I was I was

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really blown away by the level of detail

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our publicity and marketing teams are

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they just they they understand the show

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they understand what's what's

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interesting about the show and yeah oh

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that's great yeah you got the the

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leather satchel the yes doing with the

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leather satchel and it's like Hynix

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briefcase essentially right with his

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notes all that good stuff

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newspapers okay it was like opening a

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Christmas present I'm not gonna lie but

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it shows I think that like again the

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marketing is behind you guys they

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believe in the project and after seeing

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these first six like I I can tell you

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right now before we even get into the

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interview I am in a hundred percent as a

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very very passionate ufologist you know

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we weren't worried when we first heard

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about this project I'm not gonna lie you

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you never know what's gonna happen how

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things get distorted but again we will

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get into all that this is a subject

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matter that is near and dear to my heart

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and you know it's when you make a

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television show a lot of you get a lot

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of you know there's a lot of cooks in

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the kitchen and a lot of different

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voices and you know it's all about you

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know we wanted to try to create

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something that was that was authentic

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and true to the era and authentic and

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true to Project Blue Book but of course

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you know we're not we're not a

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documentary we are a dramatization of

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these events but with you know it was

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important for us is just that like we

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as as truthfully and as thoroughly as we

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can and then you know while also

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remembering that you know we're a piece

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of entertainment and we're here to

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entertain as well as educate you know

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what I mean unlike a documentary that's

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really designed to like educate so yeah

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well I mean I have to ask you personally

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what was your your interest in the UFO

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topic or even your knowledge of Project

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Blue Book before you even started this

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pretty big on both interest and and

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knowledge just in that you know UFOs and

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and you know the whole subject matter

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you know I guess obsession of mine my

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friends joke how I have found a way to

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monetize something that I would end up

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talking about it like 3:00 in the

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morning and a party anybody who would

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listen to me I just you know and I think

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that I think that this subject matter

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does speak to people and it leads to

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certain people in that way and it

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certainly did to me I grew up in New

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York City as did our showrunner and I

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remember you know I went to see

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communion Whitley Strieber community did

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a feature adaptation of that of that yes

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in 1989 starring Christopher Walken and

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I was and I and I wouldn't saw that in

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theaters as a nine-year-old it dragged

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my dad to take me to like the one

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theater in lower Manhattan it saw it and

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you know freaked me out but my interest

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in that subject was already there then

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and then you know in high school I would

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read you know every book book I could

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get my hands on and I think my interest

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really started with sort of the present

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what was then the present-day

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UFO phenomena of the 80s and 90s I watch

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all the you know the Fox News

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documentaries and great new greatest

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UFOs caught on tape kind of things and I

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really pitch credit there was a 2005

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documentary when I was out here in LA as

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in my early 20s called seeing is

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believing by Peter Jennings and in that

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documentary it was all about America's

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history bizarre and fascinating history

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with UFOs and they talked at length

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about dr. J Allen Hynek and that began

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for me and and his whole journey of

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going from somebody who is a complete

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UFO skeptic and that you know this

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civilian astrophysicist recruited by the

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Air Force to go out there and and

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explain what people were seeing and you

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know and of course everyone you know

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probably listening or many people

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listening know that

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the course of his tender you know

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working on project Bluebook he can he

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became completely convinced of the other

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side I mean he can't leave her he became

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somebody who thinks that you know UFOs

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are worthy of scientific study and also

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convinced that that the US Air Force

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knows that and that Project Blue Book

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itself was a misinformation campaign

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used in many ways to control public

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perception explaining a UFOs and all

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that and so that journey and that that

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story was just so fascinating to me and

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history and just got my hands on like

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dr. allen hynek's books you know I read

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I read the great captain ed pelts book

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not porn unidentified flying objects he

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was the first director of Project Blue

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Book and then you know and but I

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listened I was I wasn't I wasn't in LA

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working as a as a UFO researcher I was

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in LA working as a as a you know sort of

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a struggling rising screenwriter and did

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you know one night basically having a

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glass of wine with my wife like we

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started talking about what if we did

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like a you know a real-life UFO

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conspiracy thriller but set set in that

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era set in the time of Mad you know Mad

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cases and I and we just sort of had I

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was like that and it just kind of

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I have to ask you you know in terms of

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when that that spark had you knew you

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wanted to do it you started doing all

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the research how do you come up with the

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specific cases that you actually cover

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in the first project Bluebook I'm I'm

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interested in hearing that oh absolutely

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well you know I mean the good news on on

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something on this kind of idea for a

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television series is there's just an

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endless amount of cases I mean Project

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UFO cases from 1952 to 69 over 700 of

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which remain unexplained and even the

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ones that they did have an official

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explanation for in many cases that

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didn't satisfy certainly the witnesses

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or even some of the people involved a

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blue book so I mean for us it was going

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back it was reading you know the books

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you know definitely in Kenneth Edmond

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pelts book and so looking at all the

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research and tried I think what we tried

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to do is I'm a cow like I have built

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like a Bible for the show so I mapped

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seminal cases that I thought were gonna

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be big you know the Lubbock lights case

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flatwoods monster was always interesting

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I'm first episode you know I don't want

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to I don't think giveaway every case we

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information will be after eventually for

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me what was important is that we we try

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to examine sort of the the the catalysis

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the variety of different types of UFO

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cases that there are because I think

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some people like I think you know

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saucer-shaped object you know this guy

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a lot but that is just like sort of one

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type of UFO case that occurs you know

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people see weird orbs of light that seem

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to operate intelligently people see

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v-shaped craft like the Lubbock lights

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you know you know people see like I you

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know there's the famous child's winded

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case where they saw like a mysterious

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sort of rocket shaped object it's sped

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right past their their their civilian

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aircraft like there's you know there's

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all kinds of sort of you know weird kind

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of high strangeness as they call it

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right it's a UFO phenomena and I think

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we wanted to set out to make sure that

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we try to cover the the as much of that

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as we could in terms of just the actual

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nature of these cases coupled with you

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know we are a drama series so we wanted

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to feel like it all builds and

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intensifies as we go along and that and

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that it takes us on a journey of

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discovery as we're taking these

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characters on their own you know sort of

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character arcs and character journeys

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and we were big on like trying to

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explore like okay what's what's the case

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about this week given the witnesses

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involved given the pressure you know

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they're facing so you know what are the

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thematics there and how can we how can

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we explore those themes in what's going

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on in the lives of our characters as

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well so that it all sort of feels well

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you know what's happening up in the sky

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represents what's happening on the

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ground to some degree and vice-versa

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so that you know that we felt that we

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were building a you know a truly organic

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mystery in a mystery that reflects on

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the people investigating and I mean you

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have

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some some actual historical figures

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scattered throughout what I've seen in

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the show you know whether they're UFO

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researchers astronomer or scientists

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right and then you have Hynek himself

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this actual person but on the flip side

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of that we have sort of these

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amalgamations of characters that

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represent people throughout UFO and Air

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Force history as well you know someone

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like Captain Michael Quinn Malarkey's

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character so what was it like sort of

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creating these characters around an

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actual person as well yeah I mean that

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was that was it that was really

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interesting I mean you know did the show

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live you know began and lives around of

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course dr. Allen Hynek and we were

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fortunate enough to get to two of his

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sons have come up come onboard as

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consultants and that once that process

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began I mean that really helped us just

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open up I've done my research into like

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you know into him everything I could

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find on him and also you know you learn

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a lot about about somebody even when

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it's unsaid just by reading their work

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right so like I'd read all dr. allen

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hynek's books so you know you know the

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kind of way in which he thinks about the

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world you could you know his books just

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just are a window into his mind and just

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how much of a meticulous precise

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scientist he was so I I wanted to make

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sure that that really came across but

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but you know really getting some of

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those personal details from people of

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people who knew him best was fantastic

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we also got a chance it's he's not a

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character on the show at least not yet

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but I got a chance to interview the last

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living director of Project Blue Book

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which is this man named Lieutenant

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Colonel Robert friend and he was a

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Tuskegee Airman in World War two he's

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got to be I mean I'm not kidding I think

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he's like a hundred years old now I

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interviewed him right ready when we sold

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the script he's one of the first people

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I sent out because what I really wanted

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to do is get first-hand knowledge of

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like well how does project had a project

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Bluebook as an as a as a division of

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this you know as it as an investigatory

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division of the Air Force how did it

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function like what was it like going to

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work there like how did cases get come

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in and all that kind of stuff and he

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gave us I mean he also of course worked

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with dr. Alan hunt very closely so it

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gave me all kinds of insights into into

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working with him as well but that was

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like that was huge for me I mean like

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one of my prized possessions is I have a

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sign

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coppy you know of the report on flying

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saw unidentified flying objects written

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by the the first director of project

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Bluebook but signed by the last living

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director of projects inside that book is

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filled with all my notes for the show so

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I'm just like it's a little Project Blue

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Book you know it's a it's a little Jam

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of mine McKee and listen he said some

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really interesting things I mean I asked

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him things like you know if you if

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Project Blue Book had evidence that some

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UFOs represent you know an intelligence

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that we have yet to unders and

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understand or a mystery that we've yet

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to explain with that information be

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divulged to the American public and he

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said no he flat-out was like no and I

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thought that was really interesting that

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like you know and he believed you know I

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think he came down on the side that like

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that there is something obscene youin

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scientific intrigue happening here that

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needs to be studied and understood you

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know I think I think he's a he he's a

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you know a very rational guy but he he

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was great so I mean like you know

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helping helping sort of you know having

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some of those people who really were

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around Hynek and worked with Hynek and

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knew Hynek at home and all that kind of

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stuff

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really helped us paint a much more

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clearer picture of the man and then with

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the composite you know with characters

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that became composites the nice thing

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there is it does is you you know we get

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to root it and real life people real

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life Air Force generals real life

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directors of project blue both real life

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you know we have a Mimi Hynek which is

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the real name of of hynix wife but it

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does give us the freedom to as well kind

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of not just not just have to deal with

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that one person's life but be able to

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kind of explore through those characters

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some other historical things that were

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occurring at the time yeah well that's a

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big part of what I've seen them the show

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so far is you know it's taking someone

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like Mimi Hynek into consideration

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there's a lot more to this entire story

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that you're crafting than just

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investigating UFOs I mean this is

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clearly a time of extreme paranoia Cold

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War paranoia espionage and these are

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things you tackle in the show one

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episode in specific I won't give

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anything away but it we we see this

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image in a lot of the press of Hynek

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looking at this alien and a lot of us

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were like hold up a second that never

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happened right really this is where

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they're going but then after actually

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seeing

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that episode dude I completely got it

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I'm like oh okay yeah that's what

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they're doing so there's a lot of

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misdirections

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there's a lot of twists and now you have

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I assume that's what happened to Hynek

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at this time the minute he thought he

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had a conclusion you know at least in

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your version that changes in an instant

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so how was it sort of writing those

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undertones to the show we wanted to make

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sure it much like this phenomenon itself

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you know it's sort of cloaked in mystery

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and it's close it's cloaked in being

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unidentified and misidentified yeah and

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what was important for us is that well

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you know in so many of these cases

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people genuinely have a an experience

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that they that they determine to be

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something of an otherworldly nature

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there is almost always some sort of like

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kind of rational you know explanation

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and so we wanted to thread the line

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where it's like listen like you know

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very there's I think the totality of

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cases proves that there is there's

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something Jen the nature of this

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phenomena that goes beyond just

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misidentifying things I think I

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indisputable and I and I think the show

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does I think that we can say that the

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show does does tip its hand a little bit

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in that direction but at the same time

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it's also true that many of these cases

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do have our three explanations or are

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light or potentially could and so I

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think we were always walking that line

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between is what you think you see what

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you really see and I think you know that

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that alien in the tank is a great

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example of that of us you know we wanted

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to be we wanted to be as truthful in our

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storytelling as the nature of the

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phenomena is itself which is that in

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some regards you know UFOs hide you know

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what I mean like you see them they are

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seen on the fringes they are they are

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witnessed and then they're gone they are

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they appear to be one thing but then

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we're not so sure and I think that it's

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it's important that the show to properly

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represent that does that to some degree

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as well you know and I and that's why I

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had well you know many people I think

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who tuned into the show will be people

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who are at least curious about the

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subject matter or who are or more even

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more convinced of the reality of this

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subject matter

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I also for me my goal is also that this

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show will will sort of Hulk in people

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who maybe don't know a lot about this

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phenomena or I've dismissed it outright

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as not

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being something that is that is real

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that may take another look or at the

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very least understand that listen we're

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exploring all sides of the issue as well

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you know and that's what was so

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important for us it was just

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benchmarking the show every week in real

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life searchable Google Bowl like that

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you know did this really happen yes you

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know and throughout we tried to find

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these benchmarks was this a real person

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was was this a real program was this a

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real thing and over and over and over

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again you know we basically took what

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were those historical ingredients and

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then and then just try to you know fit

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it all together and a compelling you

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know drama and a compelling you know

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story that would that would you know

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that would educate and entertain I guess

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yeah and you know I imagine that's that

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can't be easy and when one of the one of

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the big things that it comes down to for

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me David is you know we had this last

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year this New York Times article come

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out about a secret Pentagon UFO program

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and people immediately started coming to

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people like us the UFO quote-unquote

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field and saying oh my god is this like

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the government investigated UFOs and I'm

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like yeah like 50 years ago you know

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whatnot and that was the last program we

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were told that they officially

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investigated UFOs hold it wasn't so for

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your show to come along at this time

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when we now learned that the government

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has maybe not so much been lying but at

545
00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:36,130
least keeping major secrets from us in

546
00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:40,030
terms of this topic it mirrors what you

547
00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:43,680
guys are doing so much as a clever

548
00:20:48,210 --> 00:20:46,900
publicity tactic and it just wasn't I

549
00:20:49,650 --> 00:20:48,220
mean that's isn't that near times

550
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:49,660
bombshell came out we had just started

551
00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:53,290
shooting and we you know that article

552
00:20:57,780 --> 00:20:55,960
went all over our offices and all over

553
00:20:59,850 --> 00:20:57,790
everybody in production and up on said

554
00:21:01,620 --> 00:20:59,860
what what is going on here is it was

555
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:01,630
just so insane that we were already kind

556
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:03,130
of making a show about this and here it

557
00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:04,000
is on the front page of the New York

558
00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:06,520
Times and listen it also just is is it

559
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:08,980
is is a great piece of evidence to say

560
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,650
that listen undeniably this is a this is

561
00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:13,360
a subject matter that the US air that

562
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:14,740
the government takes incredibly

563
00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:17,490
seriously and that the the old kind of

564
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:20,950
you know cap of listen we determined in

565
00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:22,210
1969 that you have the

566
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:24,220
don't present a threat to national

567
00:21:28,350 --> 00:21:25,690
security which is sort of the final

568
00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:28,360
official sort of termination of project

569
00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:30,580
Bluebook doesn't hold water even for

570
00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:31,929
that and certainly doesn't hold water

571
00:21:37,619 --> 00:21:35,529
for you know the the you know the many

572
00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:37,629
many people who you know who have

573
00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:39,070
sightings that continue on to this day

574
00:21:42,869 --> 00:21:41,110
and I think that's one of the things

575
00:21:44,399 --> 00:21:42,879
that so that I hope really resonates

576
00:21:46,049 --> 00:21:44,409
with people is like this isn't a show

577
00:21:47,789 --> 00:21:46,059
about a mystery that occurred in the 50s

578
00:21:50,129 --> 00:21:47,799
insistence this is a show looking at the

579
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:50,139
origin of a mystery that continued that

580
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,730
that continued that that existed before

581
00:21:56,009 --> 00:21:53,440
then mostly you know almost certainly

582
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,019
and that continues on very much to this

583
00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:58,720
day with you know and and real Jay and

584
00:22:01,289 --> 00:21:59,950
it's sometimes hard to like sift through

585
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:01,299
all the clutter but there are real

586
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:04,210
genuine UFO cases that happen all over

587
00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:08,110
the world all the time yeah and that I

588
00:22:12,299 --> 00:22:09,580
mean listen that was a that was a big

589
00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:12,309
part of me being able to sort of when I

590
00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:14,860
was frankly pitching the show to history

591
00:22:18,749 --> 00:22:16,779
and getting the show greenlit to it's a

592
00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:18,759
series was like listen this is this is

593
00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:20,950
this is topical for so many reasons you

594
00:22:25,499 --> 00:22:23,230
know not and not only just the fact that

595
00:22:27,269 --> 00:22:25,509
we're dealing with them with a mystery

596
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:27,279
that persists a UFO mystery that

597
00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:28,809
persists but even even some of the other

598
00:22:31,739 --> 00:22:30,460
things that you touch on Ryan like you

599
00:22:34,139 --> 00:22:31,749
know the fact that we're going back and

600
00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:34,149
we're looking at you know aspects of the

601
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:36,820
Cold War and fear and paranoia fear of

602
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,970
an Asian to your horn invasion fear of a

603
00:22:43,619 --> 00:22:41,440
nuclear war things that unfortunately in

604
00:22:45,299 --> 00:22:43,629
our in our present-day reality are still

605
00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:45,309
present and then of course this notion

606
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,950
of you know Project Blue Book being the

607
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,840
beginnings of sort of fake news

608
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:52,840
controlled controlled information you

609
00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:54,850
know I mean like Hynek himself would be

610
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:56,230
the first to admit that there was a very

611
00:23:00,389 --> 00:22:58,210
there was a mandate on Project Blue Book

612
00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:00,399
to basically debunk and explain away

613
00:23:04,529 --> 00:23:02,590
these cases and he did so in a few

614
00:23:06,629 --> 00:23:04,539
occasions that never sat right with him

615
00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:06,639
and he did so because he was a man of

616
00:23:10,649 --> 00:23:08,470
science and wanted access to the cases

617
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:10,659
themselves and that's came for me just

618
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:12,610
as fascinating like imagine being being

619
00:23:16,769 --> 00:23:14,710
a man in those shoes where it's like how

620
00:23:18,539 --> 00:23:16,779
do you expose expose one of the great

621
00:23:20,369 --> 00:23:18,549
mysteries when when you're when you're

622
00:23:23,009 --> 00:23:20,379
an instrument of the cover-up you know

623
00:23:24,419 --> 00:23:23,019
to some degree so it's it's you know for

624
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,429
me he was just put in such a unique

625
00:23:29,489 --> 00:23:27,039
position as a scientist and and I think

626
00:23:31,139 --> 00:23:29,499
you know I think he knew he uncovered

627
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:31,149
something something worthy of study it's

628
00:23:34,889 --> 00:23:32,769
why I devoted the rest of his life to

629
00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:34,899
you know studying this you know even

630
00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:35,590
outside

631
00:23:40,830 --> 00:23:37,960
right and I mean I mean if there is no

632
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:40,840
clearer message in terms of someone

633
00:23:45,239 --> 00:23:43,330
higher to debunk UFO cases from a

634
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:45,249
scientific standpoint or to just

635
00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:48,370
flat-out give an answer that isn't what

636
00:23:53,159 --> 00:23:50,620
it actually was to then turn around and

637
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:53,169
start his own UFO research organization

638
00:23:58,169 --> 00:23:56,049
it says more than anything else I could

639
00:24:00,389 --> 00:23:58,179
possibly imagine no matter what we're

640
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:00,399
dealing with if it's aliens if it's you

641
00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:02,710
know another country interdimensional

642
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:05,590
right Bigfoot I don't care it drives

643
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:09,279
down to the fact that he had a job he

644
00:24:13,889 --> 00:24:11,769
did his job he struggled with that job

645
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:13,899
for a very long time which we see in the

646
00:24:17,159 --> 00:24:15,490
show and then to come out on the other

647
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:17,169
side saying there's a core phenomenon

648
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:18,730
I'm gonna keep looking into it

649
00:24:22,619 --> 00:24:20,860
personally please come join me like

650
00:24:24,869 --> 00:24:22,629
that's a journey I think so many people

651
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:24,879
wanted to take yeah I hope so I hope

652
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:26,529
you're right and like you hit it on the

653
00:24:30,659 --> 00:24:28,210
head too just in terms of Hynek was a

654
00:24:33,299 --> 00:24:30,669
scientist first and kept an open mind

655
00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:33,309
both during book and certainly after you

656
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:35,740
know he definitely would would you know

657
00:24:39,419 --> 00:24:37,720
definitely knew that UFOs and and and

658
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,429
what were worthy of scientific studying

659
00:24:43,889 --> 00:24:41,919
that the phenomenon is genuine and but

660
00:24:46,289 --> 00:24:43,899
you know but was very still open-minded

661
00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:46,299
to what what is the nature of UFOs and

662
00:24:49,109 --> 00:24:47,740
what are we really dealing with and you

663
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:49,119
of course he was open to the to the

664
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:51,190
extra-terrestrial hypothesis which was

665
00:24:54,539 --> 00:24:52,990
which is probably the most popular I

666
00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:54,549
thought this is her most mainstream to

667
00:24:58,409 --> 00:24:56,590
understood hypothesis but but it was

668
00:24:59,489 --> 00:24:58,419
just as vocal about the possibility like

669
00:25:01,139 --> 00:24:59,499
are we dealing with some sort of

670
00:25:03,749 --> 00:25:01,149
intelligence that is interdimensional or

671
00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:03,759
on a hyper plane where like sometimes

672
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:06,460
somehow like our planet is there's as

673
00:25:10,169 --> 00:25:08,529
well or our reality is connected to

674
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:10,179
theirs in some way I mean that's

675
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:12,730
fascinating to me you know he proposed

676
00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:14,169
you know are we dealing with

677
00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:15,820
are we being visited by our future

678
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:18,340
selves who ufos represent the reality of

679
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:20,230
time travel I always found that to be a

680
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:23,049
fascinating theory and then of you know

681
00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:25,210
and then of course you know the the

682
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:26,590
notion that it might be interplanetary

683
00:25:30,869 --> 00:25:28,210
or evidence that we live in a simulated

684
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:30,879
reality you know the list the list goes

685
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:34,090
on and on and I think and that's what's

686
00:25:37,889 --> 00:25:35,830
so you know and I mean one of his great

687
00:25:39,419 --> 00:25:37,899
quotes was sort of you know paraphrasing

688
00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:39,429
it but it was he really felt that to

689
00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:41,080
understand the mystery of UFOs we would

690
00:25:44,909 --> 00:25:42,999
we would better understand ourselves and

691
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,919
our place in the universe and I and

692
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:45,520
regard

693
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:49,840
what those answers might be and I really

694
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:51,370
genuinely with all my heart believe that

695
00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:53,710
to be true as well like I'm I like him

696
00:25:56,850 --> 00:25:55,540
am open-minded to what what is the

697
00:25:58,830 --> 00:25:56,860
nature of what we might be dealing with

698
00:26:00,240 --> 00:25:58,840
I oscillate sometimes I'm like very

699
00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:00,250
convinced it's acts or very calm

700
00:26:07,290 --> 00:26:04,600
instance why but for sure III with all

701
00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:07,300
my being do believe that it is an answer

702
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,740
it does represent an answer that we have

703
00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:11,440
yet to fully understand in terms of our

704
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:13,540
you know in that way that will help us

705
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:14,650
really understand the nature of our

706
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,510
unreality and the larger you know

707
00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:18,640
universe in which we live that is fast

708
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:20,500
name it I can't think of sort of a

709
00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:22,450
better way to wrap it up but I I just I

710
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,280
want to tell you this as a journalist

711
00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:26,320
it's holy it's hard it's always hard to

712
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:28,270
like stay objective when you're covering

713
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:31,300
like a TV show or you know anything

714
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:33,370
anything a film this that right in the

715
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:35,470
entertainment field to remain unbiased

716
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:38,830
but for me I mean the show is slick it's

717
00:26:45,090 --> 00:26:42,010
it's gorgeous it's well-written and the

718
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:45,100
acting is unbelievable I mean you guys

719
00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:49,360
you hit everything and we were so

720
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:50,980
blessed with like was we got you know

721
00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:53,140
Bob Zemeckis executive producing and his

722
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:55,780
team are phenomenal you know of course

723
00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:57,460
our cast you know a team the wonderful

724
00:27:00,990 --> 00:26:58,870
Aidan Gillen and Michael malarkey and

725
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:01,000
warm and Alan Ksenia solo or you know

726
00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:03,070
neal mcdonough on you know michael

727
00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:05,260
harney those guys are just are just

728
00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:07,540
wonderful wonderful actors and then we

729
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:09,580
just had a great team our directors are

730
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:14,140
our dps are like everyone really came to

731
00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:17,020
this show with such enthusiasm and I

732
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:18,790
think respect for the subject matter and

733
00:27:21,930 --> 00:27:19,930
respect for what we're trying to do

734
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:21,940
because it's it's it's a fine line that

735
00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:24,250
we're trying to walk here its period

736
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:26,020
we're dealing with something or we're

737
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:27,700
trying to walk right on the edge and

738
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:30,070
give people to you know as truthful and

739
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:33,070
as you know as sort of intriguing a ride

740
00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:34,750
as we can and I think everyone does

741
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:36,670
brought their a-game and that was just I

742
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:39,400
just feel so privileged to be a part of

743
00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:41,650
what's especially because it's speaking

744
00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:43,270
to a subject matter that also speaks so

745
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,030
personally to me that it all kind of

746
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:47,200
came together the way it did with

747
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,330
everyone involved and the passion is

748
00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:51,760
clearly there from from start to finish

749
00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:54,340
David and it's definitely it's a journey

750
00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:56,470
of jail and hynek's that I think we're

751
00:27:59,760 --> 00:27:59,290
all ready and willing to take so I can't

752
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,770
wait for

753
00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:02,320
- premiered January 8th on the History

754
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:05,350
Channel congratulations on everything

755
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:08,980
and we are willing to keep looking out

756
00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:11,950
my man yeah great yeah keep watching the

757
00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:13,990
skies guys and and I truly hope

758
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:16,060
everybody Tunes in and to check it out

759
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:17,830
you know we're all really proud of it on

760
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:21,610
our end so uh so yes please watch watch

761
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:23,920
thank you so much David yeah Thank You

762
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:24,370
Ryan

763
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:29,440
real pleasure man I want to give the

764
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:31,480
audience a little bit of a hint of what

765
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:33,190
to expect with Project Blue Book but

766
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:35,290
before we even get to that I have to ask

767
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:37,750
you Sean your origin story if we're

768
00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:39,310
gonna go the comic book route how did

769
00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:47,020
you I've gotta go with Peter Parker

770
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:54,600
so that's where I grew up in the city Oh

771
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:56,440
awesome and so we definitely have that

772
00:29:00,510 --> 00:28:58,810
in common but clearly we have a little

773
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:00,520
bit more in common UFOs being one of

774
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:03,670
them yeah so did you have any interest

775
00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:06,310
in the UFO topic before being a part of

776
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:07,900
this or did you even know what Project

777
00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:10,870
Blue Book was so look the good news is

778
00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:14,140
you know I I had known about Project

779
00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:15,550
Blue Book for a very long time I've been

780
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:17,860
a bit of a I don't know if you can use

781
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:21,700
the word buff but I have been fascinated

782
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:23,650
by UFOs in the phenomenon for a very

783
00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:26,170
long time I believe I had a sighting as

784
00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:28,420
a kid at 10 years old when I was in New

785
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:31,000
York City it was something that we stuck

786
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:33,820
with me I've actually read a lot about

787
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:36,730
the phenomenon because I find it to be

788
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:40,150
endlessly fascinating and you know one

789
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:42,610
of the things that just about it that

790
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:45,610
that was sort of shocking to me in a way

791
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:47,530
is that it feels like when you have

792
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:50,110
skeptics who want to keep telling you

793
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,450
where's the proof where's the proof we

794
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:54,640
don't see any real proof it's like it's

795
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:57,130
actually out there there is plenty of

796
00:30:02,670 --> 00:29:59,410
real proof real credible witnesses

797
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,680
credible film credible artifacts all

798
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:05,200
related to it and it's just a choice I

799
00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:06,880
think people make whether they want to

800
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:08,740
be open to it believing it or not I

801
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:11,740
actually went and because I I think like

802
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:12,950
maybe a lot of

803
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:14,870
people who listen to the podcast you

804
00:30:20,169 --> 00:30:17,000
know I got in ancient aliens and that

805
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:20,179
got me really interested in Machu Picchu

806
00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:22,580
and I actually took a trip down to Peru

807
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:25,070
by myself over a Christmas holiday

808
00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:27,049
because I was like I just have to see

809
00:30:32,019 --> 00:30:29,000
this up close I have to see it up close

810
00:30:35,009 --> 00:30:32,029
I want to see if it feels like there was

811
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:35,019
that ancient alien you know um

812
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:37,190
hypotheses they actually built it or not

813
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:39,289
and it was a fascinating trip

814
00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:42,260
I think people did build it at the end

815
00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:44,360
of the day but there's still a lot of

816
00:30:49,210 --> 00:30:46,580
unexplained stuff but that is a long

817
00:30:50,649 --> 00:30:49,220
answer to a short question which is yes

818
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:50,659
it's something that I've been interested

819
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,730
in for a very long time so coming to the

820
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,279
project as soon as I had heard about it

821
00:30:59,740 --> 00:30:57,440
I chased it and I was like I'm the guy

822
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,750
you know I know about this the story's

823
00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:02,000
great the script is great I have to be a

824
00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:05,000
part of this okay so to to make it clear

825
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,860
to our audience you are not only the

826
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,480
showrunner of Project Blue Book you're

827
00:31:13,389 --> 00:31:10,399
also an executive producer and a writer

828
00:31:16,029 --> 00:31:13,399
so before we even get to the content how

829
00:31:18,879 --> 00:31:16,039
how do you differentiate between all

830
00:31:21,399 --> 00:31:18,889
those responsibilities on one project I

831
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:21,409
can't even imagine that's easy you know

832
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:23,929
I mean I've been doing television for

833
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:26,360
over 20 years now so I have I have a lot

834
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:28,850
of I guess you know practical experience

835
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:30,830
with it I've been fortunate enough to

836
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:33,860
work alongside and under some of the you

837
00:31:39,159 --> 00:31:35,690
know best best in the business Tom

838
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:39,169
Fontana Ryan Marquis Michael Mann um so

839
00:31:43,539 --> 00:31:40,909
you get to see sort of firsthand how

840
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:43,549
they do it um and look at doing a

841
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:45,769
television show is probably like doing

842
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:47,210
any creative endeavor you're gonna have

843
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:49,850
an idea and then you're gonna go step by

844
00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:52,010
step how do we need to get this done now

845
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:53,990
the scope of a television show is such

846
00:31:58,299 --> 00:31:56,750
that there's a lot of moving pieces to

847
00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:58,309
it a lot of parts to it a lot of things

848
00:32:03,039 --> 00:31:59,960
you have to be aware of it all starts

849
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:03,049
with story I had a writing teacher in

850
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:05,210
college say one so you know if if you

851
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,830
have a great script you have a chance at

852
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,039
making a great movie if you have a bad

853
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:15,200
script you have no chance so I spend all

854
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:17,480
my time really on the story you know

855
00:32:21,399 --> 00:32:19,220
coming up with it working with the

856
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,409
writers in the the writers room doing

857
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:24,350
rewrites and then after that in terms of

858
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:26,840
implementing you know the you know the

859
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,230
show

860
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:28,880
running aspect of it keeping things on

861
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:31,460
budget hiring directors casting location

862
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:34,340
set design all of that stuff once you

863
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:36,590
have a clear idea what the story is the

864
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:38,510
very short answer is you're gonna just

865
00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:40,490
have answers to all the questions and

866
00:32:43,870 --> 00:32:42,140
when you see something that doesn't feel

867
00:32:45,549 --> 00:32:43,880
right you're gonna say that doesn't feel

868
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:45,559
like what we're trying to do here and

869
00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:49,100
it's just that process ad infinitum like

870
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:51,350
you know all throughout the day you know

871
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:54,049
it's it goes from everything to from a

872
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:56,570
line somebody says to I don't think they

873
00:33:01,780 --> 00:32:58,970
would wear that color to you know this

874
00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:01,790
needs to be exterior or not interior - I

875
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:04,220
like this director and I or I don't like

876
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:06,860
that editor it's it's it's like anything

877
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:08,630
you'll you'll once you're given the keys

878
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,450
you'll you'll know how to do it well in

879
00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:14,000
terms of that process you know we know

880
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:16,940
that there were so many what like 12,000

881
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:20,390
cases yeah that project covered how did

882
00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:22,790
you guys even begin to like narrow in

883
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:26,059
you and David the creator to which cases

884
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:27,890
to cover at least in the first season I

885
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:30,290
again I can't imagine that was easy so

886
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,790
yeah let me give all props to David

887
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:33,679
O'Leary as well you know who is the

888
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:35,990
creator of the show he did he wrote a

889
00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:37,640
spec script for it which is to say it

890
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:40,400
was an idea he had about Project Blue

891
00:33:45,159 --> 00:33:42,650
Book and on his own decided to write a

892
00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:45,169
script as a you know like a pilot for a

893
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,270
television show Dave is a great writer

894
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:50,000
great ideas been around the television

895
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:51,470
business for a while but hadn't really

896
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:53,059
done a television show which is why I

897
00:33:58,510 --> 00:33:55,970
was brought in as I like to say you know

898
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,520
David built the boat I was given the

899
00:34:01,870 --> 00:34:00,559
pleasure of captaining it which i think

900
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:01,880
is probably a good way to kind of look

901
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,620
at it but in terms of how to sort of

902
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:06,080
select cases simple David and I sat in a

903
00:34:11,169 --> 00:34:08,810
room for about three weeks we went

904
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:11,179
before we even got in there we went and

905
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:14,810
dealt in to a lot of the cases Bluebook

906
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:17,690
had handled we both already came with so

907
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:19,970
many that we knew and then we just sat

908
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:22,190
there and we started like like horse

909
00:34:25,899 --> 00:34:24,440
trading you know is like oh my god the

910
00:34:27,790 --> 00:34:25,909
Lubbock likes what's great about that is

911
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:27,800
it's like multiple witnesses college

912
00:34:31,659 --> 00:34:29,720
campus that could be a great setting you

913
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:31,669
had a professor that you know took a

914
00:34:36,669 --> 00:34:34,669
picture there were you know great

915
00:34:38,889 --> 00:34:36,679
newspaper articles that's good because

916
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:38,899
we have multiple witnesses and some

917
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:40,970
credible ones you know

918
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:42,889
the very first episode which I know

919
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:45,169
there's a lot of promos on we do which

920
00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:49,129
is a seminal case of the Gorman dog dog

921
00:34:56,889 --> 00:34:52,520
fight and it's so that was like a lone

922
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:56,899
person up in the sky very visual it just

923
00:35:00,880 --> 00:34:58,910
felt like a great sort of introduction

924
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:00,890
into telling the story and throughout

925
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:04,130
the season what we tried to do is go

926
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:06,230
look we want to start this we want to

927
00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:08,180
introduce an audience to like a small

928
00:35:14,349 --> 00:35:11,480
phenomenon at first and then build right

929
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:14,359
so by the end of the season we've gone

930
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:18,290
from a single somewhat credible but sort

931
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:21,800
of maybe he's crazy witness to multiple

932
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:23,900
credible witnesses involving the

933
00:35:27,609 --> 00:35:25,970
government so you get to see the breadth

934
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:27,619
of the phenomenon and that's pretty much

935
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,530
how we shaped it right and you know

936
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:32,480
again not giving too much away it's

937
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:34,700
interesting to actually watch the

938
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:36,530
process of an investigation through the

939
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:38,570
eyes of jail and Hynek which we'll get

940
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:40,940
to and not come out on the other side

941
00:35:46,570 --> 00:35:43,250
saying everything's aliens you know he

942
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:46,580
we know as UFO researchers that he was

943
00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:48,920
extremely skeptical first going into

944
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:51,619
this and remain that way for a while so

945
00:35:56,349 --> 00:35:54,470
that was a really cool journey to sort

946
00:35:58,750 --> 00:35:56,359
of take at least through what I've seen

947
00:36:01,839 --> 00:35:58,760
of the show so far so I have to ask in

948
00:36:04,089 --> 00:36:01,849
terms of casting Aidan Gillen as J Alan

949
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,099
Hynek I got chills man the first time we

950
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:06,800
came on screen we have been waiting to

951
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:09,410
see J Alan Hynek us in the UFO field on

952
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:12,500
a screen for so long and I honestly

953
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:14,750
couldn't think of a better choice for

954
00:36:18,099 --> 00:36:16,190
this the minute he started talking I'm

955
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,109
like yep that's him that's exactly what

956
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,760
I always envisioned same with Michael

957
00:36:24,579 --> 00:36:21,200
malarkey who sure to plays an

958
00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:24,589
amalgamation of other characters that we

959
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:27,080
all know of so how did how did how was

960
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:29,180
the casting for this how did that sort

961
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,700
of turn out and how did you give life to

962
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:33,680
these lesser-known historical figures

963
00:36:37,810 --> 00:36:36,080
casting was look it's a fun process

964
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:37,820
because you start with pie-in-the-sky

965
00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:40,970
I type names and ideas you know like who

966
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,470
would be the best person you could

967
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,720
possibly imagine to play this person and

968
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:46,390
what's great now is because they think

969
00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:50,450
TV has such has eclipsed movies in a way

970
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:52,190
of the talent that it brings to the

971
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:54,200
screen that you really can shoot for

972
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:54,800
that

973
00:36:59,410 --> 00:36:57,230
and I'm being honest when I say Aiden

974
00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:59,420
was the top of our list when we started

975
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:01,130
looking he was coming off a game of

976
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:04,850
Thrones there is something about him

977
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:07,070
when you see him on screen that you can

978
00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:10,790
feel energy and movement going on behind

979
00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:13,880
his eyes and so much of who Hynek is is

980
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:16,040
a guy who's thinking and putting things

981
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:18,740
together and Aiden felt like somebody

982
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:20,690
that was communicating even when he

983
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:23,690
wasn't speaking and so to be able to

984
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:25,370
have a character like that and then the

985
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:28,040
weight that he could carry you know as

986
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:30,920
as the real-life character it just you

987
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:32,780
know the stars aligned if I can use that

988
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:35,960
pun um we got we got we got very lucky

989
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:38,600
with him in terms of how to he what he

990
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:39,890
brought to the character we are

991
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,230
fortunate enough to actually have jail

992
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:45,680
and onyx two sons Paul and Joel Joel

993
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:48,170
who's who is part of the series as

994
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:50,660
consultants on our show they were able

995
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:53,030
to speak with Aiden and all of us and

996
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:56,330
give us like really detailed moments

997
00:38:00,100 --> 00:37:58,010
about their dad and about life and about

998
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:00,110
life in the house and just little things

999
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:02,420
you know you can sent over some ties of

1000
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:04,610
their dads that that helped Aiden sort

1001
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:06,770
of get into character so well of course

1002
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:08,330
a lot of research a lot of reading and

1003
00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:10,130
then Aidan's gonna want to bring his own

1004
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,590
stuff you know so it's it's really a

1005
00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:14,480
collaborative effort and I can't imagine

1006
00:38:19,810 --> 00:38:17,660
it's easy for to step into those shoes

1007
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,820
either whether the character was based

1008
00:38:25,330 --> 00:38:22,400
on a real person or or not you know

1009
00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:25,340
someone like his his partner in the show

1010
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:28,700
played by Michael malarkey it's creating

1011
00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:31,160
a character from absolute scratch so

1012
00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:34,100
yeah I can only imagine it was a very

1013
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:35,960
interesting journey for both of them and

1014
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:38,510
the other actors as well I did at the

1015
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:41,690
pleasure of seeing a Q&A at a lien con

1016
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:44,810
with Paul Hynek and that was really cool

1017
00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:46,250
to hear him talk about you know his dad

1018
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:48,620
coming home to dinner and talking about

1019
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:50,570
the cases he was working on and which

1020
00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:52,280
ones he found most compelling and again

1021
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:54,590
a moment you know a very rare moment to

1022
00:38:59,110 --> 00:38:56,810
hear from someone in the family about

1023
00:39:00,430 --> 00:38:59,120
what his father was working on I'm sure

1024
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,440
we'll get snippets of that throughout

1025
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:02,960
the series as well so also just to your

1026
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:05,030
point to the other characters are you

1027
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:07,370
know they're all though Hynek is you

1028
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:08,450
know first and

1029
00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:10,700
front and center for us and we have his

1030
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:13,070
rights in terms of you know the series

1031
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:15,470
we did we weren't able to secure for

1032
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:17,089
some of the other characters which is

1033
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:20,150
why even though there are people in like

1034
00:39:23,859 --> 00:39:21,940
Malarkey's character neal mcdonough

1035
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:23,869
michael Hardy's character even though

1036
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:25,220
these people are in there they're

1037
00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:27,320
representing people who were there at

1038
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:29,240
the time right we just couldn't use

1039
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:32,170
actual names but it's it's sort of the

1040
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:34,820
maybe it's like the long order or ripped

1041
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:36,470
from the headlines kind of approach

1042
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:38,270
where you like it's that's this person

1043
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:39,890
we sort of know it but it's not

1044
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:42,890
something we can really we can't go 100

1045
00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:44,570
percent with names and all of it oh

1046
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,820
totally and I mean for the UFO the

1047
00:39:49,390 --> 00:39:47,839
people who are listening to the show

1048
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:49,400
they're definitely gonna know who these

1049
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:51,800
characters are based on and for a more

1050
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:53,690
mainstream audience I think the

1051
00:39:58,210 --> 00:39:55,910
intention is there we understand who

1052
00:40:00,819 --> 00:39:58,220
these actual people were and what these

1053
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:00,829
characters are representing so again

1054
00:40:06,490 --> 00:40:03,950
wonderful wonderful job on that in terms

1055
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:06,500
of Project Blue Book now we have two

1056
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:08,750
sides to Project Blue Book that we all

1057
00:40:13,630 --> 00:40:11,690
know of in the UFO field that's the side

1058
00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:13,640
the public knew about and the site of

1059
00:40:18,579 --> 00:40:15,500
what the air force's true intentions

1060
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:18,589
were with this and you do play with that

1061
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:21,260
a lot in the series so I was wondering

1062
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:23,420
Shawn if you'd be able to briefly sort

1063
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:25,430
of run us through how you tackled both

1064
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:27,410
the ends of the actual project Bluebook

1065
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,510
in the show well there is a you know

1066
00:40:34,089 --> 00:40:31,520
there's there's the public face and then

1067
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:34,099
there is the sort of I guess for maybe

1068
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,140
lack of a better term the conspiratorial

1069
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:38,800
angle of the whole thing one of the

1070
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:41,540
catchphrases I find myself using a lot

1071
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:43,490
is you know it was sort of like the

1072
00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:46,970
origin of fake news right it was the US

1073
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:48,920
government specifically the Air Force

1074
00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:50,530
putting together an organization

1075
00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:53,720
designed to basically tell people what

1076
00:40:59,740 --> 00:40:57,020
you saw you did not see and in that way

1077
00:41:03,309 --> 00:40:59,750
it was rewriting a narrative right so I

1078
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:03,319
think what our approach was is that

1079
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:05,900
we're not trying to do paint the

1080
00:41:09,579 --> 00:41:07,400
government the Air Force

1081
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:09,589
any of those decisions made as a bad

1082
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:12,170
thing you look at the time period you

1083
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:13,910
look at the paranoia you look at what

1084
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,359
could happen if you created the sense of

1085
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:20,480
you know fear in in the general public

1086
00:41:24,339 --> 00:41:21,710
that these things existed

1087
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:24,349
you had to make some tough decisions you

1088
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:26,030
know what I mean and probably keep it

1089
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,490
away from people so we try to sympathize

1090
00:41:32,260 --> 00:41:30,560
that to some degree I think with the

1091
00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:32,270
like I said the airforce side and

1092
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:34,760
understand it and because they feel

1093
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:36,530
they're doing the right thing it makes

1094
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:39,740
the I would say the conflict it brings

1095
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:41,900
it more to the forefront it paints this

1096
00:41:47,859 --> 00:41:44,930
picture that there's a much deeper thing

1097
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:47,869
going on in the show in terms of you

1098
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:48,260
know

1099
00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:50,750
Hynek is hired to work for the Air Force

1100
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:53,780
to to explain away these cases and you

1101
00:41:57,820 --> 00:41:55,970
can't blame them for that if a true

1102
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,830
believer in the UFO phenomenon looks at

1103
00:42:01,900 --> 00:41:59,839
that they're gonna say oh it's you know

1104
00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:01,910
I don't agree with that but for the

1105
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:04,070
layman person who is just living their

1106
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:06,050
normal day-to-day life they want to be

1107
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:06,380
told

1108
00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:08,450
okay there's not aliens out there

1109
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:10,460
visiting our planet I've got enough

1110
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,440
stuff to forget about here on earth so

1111
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:14,960
okay I think they're lying to I mean

1112
00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:16,609
look there's there are plenty of

1113
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:18,440
credible sightings and we could go all

1114
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:22,310
day doing that and I'm hardly fall in

1115
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,470
the skeptic category if anything I'm you

1116
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,720
know like I said I'm a believer but

1117
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:28,400
there's certainly a number of cases as

1118
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:30,859
well that you know when you scratch a

1119
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:32,540
little deeper you go oh clearly that was

1120
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:33,290
something else

1121
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:35,480
you know but the thing that I think the

1122
00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:39,470
show does well is it finds a nice middle

1123
00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:41,390
ground where it's like you could sort of

1124
00:42:45,070 --> 00:42:43,220
explain this away or you could really

1125
00:42:47,470 --> 00:42:45,080
see it as something else as well and

1126
00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:47,480
they both exist in the same spot and I

1127
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:48,980
think that's where we want to keep the

1128
00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:50,750
audience at all times where it's like

1129
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:53,630
maybe that was the case we're not really

1130
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:55,640
sure you know you're you're always given

1131
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:57,950
a plausible explanation and then one

1132
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:00,290
that can lead to a much greater

1133
00:43:04,990 --> 00:43:02,570
conspiracy you've been watching the

1134
00:43:07,570 --> 00:43:05,000
first six episodes you you think you

1135
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:07,580
know what they what their conclusion is

1136
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:09,410
and then the minute you think you know

1137
00:43:14,589 --> 00:43:11,720
it changes and I'm sure that's how it

1138
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:14,599
actually happened to Hynek and in the

1139
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:16,790
other you know academics and scientists

1140
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:18,260
working on this project at the time

1141
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:20,390
there never was a true answer how many

1142
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:22,130
cases were left unsolved so they're like

1143
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:25,880
700 I believe 700 and then about a third

1144
00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:28,010
of even the 12,000 that you know there

1145
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:30,680
was the closer name of the report they

1146
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:33,160
did delete it yeah

1147
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:35,049
now they'd like a Warren Report that was

1148
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,500
Kennedy but it was either the Robertson

1149
00:43:42,299 --> 00:43:40,480
panel rock garden committee yeah I

1150
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:42,309
always get them confused

1151
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:45,160
and and they basically went through and

1152
00:43:49,049 --> 00:43:46,750
just sort of checkmark laughs like a

1153
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:49,059
third of those cases to go yeah okay

1154
00:43:55,859 --> 00:43:52,569
Birds weather balloon mark you know

1155
00:43:58,829 --> 00:43:55,869
Venus like without even really delving

1156
00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:58,839
into it so 700 official I think there's

1157
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:01,420
probably another you know three thousand

1158
00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:03,369
that are you know could easily be

1159
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,500
examined and be found to be just not

1160
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:08,079
even you know credible at all terms of a

1161
00:44:12,839 --> 00:44:10,569
response yeah well I mean in terms of

1162
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:12,849
the the cases you looked at are there

1163
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,730
any that you really stuck out to you

1164
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:17,680
that made you really think we got

1165
00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:19,240
something here and that you wanted to

1166
00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:22,539
cover in the show any like one pivotal

1167
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,950
case that you're willing to share with

1168
00:44:29,279 --> 00:44:26,640
us so I mean there's two of them and

1169
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:29,289
well there's more but I mean in terms of

1170
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,930
the first season there's two of them one

1171
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:34,480
that I mean you've seen the first six

1172
00:44:38,999 --> 00:44:36,130
they're literally the last two episodes

1173
00:44:41,509 --> 00:44:39,009
okay

1174
00:44:45,329 --> 00:44:41,519
but I will say one involve abduction and

1175
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:45,339
to me that is fascinating because you

1176
00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:47,710
know you when you delve deeper into some

1177
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,299
of the abduction stories the amount of

1178
00:44:56,249 --> 00:44:54,160
reality you have to suspend or have to

1179
00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:56,259
believe about a person who might be

1180
00:45:02,190 --> 00:44:58,420
risking everything to tell their story

1181
00:45:04,009 --> 00:45:02,200
and consistently stay on on message and

1182
00:45:06,569 --> 00:45:04,019
give you the same facts and talk about

1183
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:06,579
the idea of being abducted to me that's

1184
00:45:11,609 --> 00:45:08,680
fascinating because I it's hard to

1185
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:11,619
imagine somebody saying I'm making this

1186
00:45:14,999 --> 00:45:13,390
all up or I'm trying to get publicity or

1187
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:15,009
something and then and carry it to your

1188
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:16,690
dying day so that's one of them and then

1189
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:18,490
there's another one that I'll just say

1190
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,180
is our season finale that I think is

1191
00:45:30,029 --> 00:45:25,599
most fascinating because like like the

1192
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:30,039
Phoenix lights so many witnesses so many

1193
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:32,650
witnesses so many people saw the same

1194
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:35,529
thing at the same time and then it was

1195
00:45:40,109 --> 00:45:37,210
like it just went off the front page and

1196
00:45:41,999 --> 00:45:40,119
you you you'll see it in in episode 10

1197
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:42,009
and it's it's a part of American history

1198
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:44,410
you know the president was involved it's

1199
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:46,420
just you know I'm probably giving a lot

1200
00:45:48,329 --> 00:45:46,630
of

1201
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:48,339
people who are familiar with what I'm

1202
00:45:52,349 --> 00:45:50,170
talking about but that to me was the

1203
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:52,359
most fascinating you know absolutely

1204
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:55,210
well I mean I'd like to touch on that

1205
00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:57,730
idea of you know these stories coming

1206
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:00,190
out that are pretty big bombshells in

1207
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:02,650
terms of the UFO topic and then fading

1208
00:46:07,049 --> 00:46:05,230
away Sean I mean we recently had the New

1209
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:07,059
York Times article what about a year ago

1210
00:46:12,029 --> 00:46:09,430
that came out saying the Pentagon had

1211
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,039
secretly been investigating UFOs I mean

1212
00:46:16,499 --> 00:46:13,599
for us for people like me I was like

1213
00:46:17,999 --> 00:46:16,509
holy [\h__\h] like I had no idea and I've

1214
00:46:20,279 --> 00:46:18,009
been looking at this stuff my whole life

1215
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:20,289
and you know it was big news for a

1216
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:21,789
couple weeks and then it just sort of

1217
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:24,430
faded into obscurity what do you make of

1218
00:46:28,109 --> 00:46:26,230
that whole thing it seems like a really

1219
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:28,119
interesting time for your for your show

1220
00:46:32,849 --> 00:46:30,250
to be coming around when when we now

1221
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:32,859
know there was a secret project going on

1222
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,750
even though they said the last one the

1223
00:46:39,809 --> 00:46:37,359
government did was project Bluebook yeah

1224
00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:39,819
I look not surprised at all you know the

1225
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:42,700
position of the Pentagon has always been

1226
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,160
it's a national security issue and to

1227
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:48,180
that end yeah you have to you know be

1228
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:50,529
you have to know what sort of threats

1229
00:46:53,749 --> 00:46:52,150
are out there and if there are things in

1230
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:53,759
our skies that you can't account for

1231
00:47:00,269 --> 00:46:56,349
that could be a national security issue

1232
00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:00,279
when you know back in the 50s when all

1233
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:01,720
those new you know there's a lot of

1234
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,329
those reports excuse me of from the

1235
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:06,720
nucular Arsenal's once we got the bomb

1236
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:09,130
that they would see lights above these

1237
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:12,430
places all the time um and as a matter

1238
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,130
of fact that's you know the sightings

1239
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:17,440
really spiked once we got the bomb is if

1240
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:19,450
we'd sort of you know send a message up

1241
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:21,640
there that like we're we're capable

1242
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:24,880
blowing blowing ourselves up so it makes

1243
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:28,210
sense to me that the Pentagon would hide

1244
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:30,910
it again because then they're asked

1245
00:47:35,009 --> 00:47:32,890
about it every day what doesn't make

1246
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:35,019
sense to me is that when it does come

1247
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:37,210
out and people see it and like that

1248
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:39,220
recent thing I don't know how long ago

1249
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,230
it was now I guess it was a year ago

1250
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,359
when that was that f-18 outside of San

1251
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:46,240
Diego they released the footage and know

1252
00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:49,180
that people see that and you hear the

1253
00:47:54,269 --> 00:47:50,740
pilots and I will say we were speaking

1254
00:47:56,999 --> 00:47:54,279
on a panel in comic-con I visit alien

1255
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,009
con Soto was it may it might have been

1256
00:48:04,260 --> 00:47:59,680
San Diego and the pilot in that play

1257
00:48:06,299 --> 00:48:04,270
got up and spoke Wow and his wife kept

1258
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:06,309
saying honey sit down sit down you don't

1259
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:09,609
have to keep talking I had no idea it

1260
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:13,599
was unbelievable on the floor kind of

1261
00:48:17,549 --> 00:48:15,670
thing but yeah it's like yeah we saw

1262
00:48:20,010 --> 00:48:17,559
this don't know what it was move this

1263
00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:20,020
way you saw that you saw the film we're

1264
00:48:23,849 --> 00:48:22,540
now making this up the government is

1265
00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:23,859
saying we don't know what it is either

1266
00:48:28,589 --> 00:48:25,540
and then people go oh gee I wonder

1267
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:28,599
what's on ESPN right now yeah you know

1268
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:31,240
the way it's fascinating to me well I

1269
00:48:37,049 --> 00:48:34,180
mean I see that changing slightly I mean

1270
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:37,059
I know for a fact you know since that

1271
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:40,089
story broke that you know things like

1272
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:42,010
Project Blue Book there's there's a ton

1273
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:45,190
of other UFO related things that are

1274
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:47,650
gonna be hitting the television screen

1275
00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:50,020
soon it's I think it's made a resurgence

1276
00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:52,150
for sure I think this is the time of

1277
00:48:58,170 --> 00:48:55,750
UFOs again so I mean I think you guys

1278
00:49:00,089 --> 00:48:58,180
are right at the the forefront of that

1279
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:00,099
so that's got to be exciting as well

1280
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:02,260
very very it's and it's fun because you

1281
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:04,390
do get you get tapped into more stuff

1282
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:06,430
now more things find you now and you're

1283
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:07,930
like oh my god I can't it's just

1284
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:10,930
incredible to me you know yeah and the

1285
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:12,460
history of it you know the high jump

1286
00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:15,250
back around world war 2 and then article

1287
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:18,099
burden all stuff with the Nazis and it's

1288
00:49:24,809 --> 00:49:21,640
just the history of it is fast right and

1289
00:49:27,329 --> 00:49:24,819
I think you know the show being on the

1290
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,339
History Channel people expect that some

1291
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:29,440
sort of accuracy and authenticity to

1292
00:49:34,829 --> 00:49:32,230
actual historical events so again while

1293
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:34,839
this may be a fictional show many people

1294
00:49:39,809 --> 00:49:37,720
look at it that way yeah it's based on

1295
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:39,819
true events I mean this was an actual

1296
00:49:45,809 --> 00:49:43,089
investigation and and you guys do go

1297
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:45,819
there I was highly impressed with the

1298
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:48,130
research that went into this and you

1299
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:50,260
know I I had no expectations sort of

1300
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,260
going in until I was given that key to

1301
00:49:58,099 --> 00:49:55,599
watch the first six and I will tell you

1302
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:58,109
right now man like I I am completely

1303
00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:01,900
sold and I I can't wait to see what

1304
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:03,940
comes next for it but I have to ask you

1305
00:50:09,569 --> 00:50:05,980
personally yeah you know as a showrunner

1306
00:50:12,359 --> 00:50:09,579
you've worked on so many really really

1307
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,369
big shows in Hollywood and whatnot

1308
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:14,559
is this one compared to all your other

1309
00:50:19,289 --> 00:50:16,450
projects what resonates most about

1310
00:50:23,009 --> 00:50:19,299
project Bluebook well look I it's funny

1311
00:50:24,749 --> 00:50:23,019
I tell people now and it's I I get to

1312
00:50:27,269 --> 00:50:24,759
speak from a really truthful place about

1313
00:50:29,249 --> 00:50:27,279
the passion that I have for this and I

1314
00:50:33,450 --> 00:50:29,259
will say first and foremost that I am a

1315
00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:33,460
jaded Hollywood writer this I've been

1316
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,259
doing this a long time and been involved

1317
00:50:39,569 --> 00:50:37,599
in a lot of projects I've had I've had

1318
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:39,579
wonderful success I've seen things that

1319
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:42,970
I thought were you know had had great

1320
00:50:47,759 --> 00:50:45,309
potential just sort of fizzle and die in

1321
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:47,769
a development stage or once the network

1322
00:50:52,289 --> 00:50:50,650
and studio got a hold of it this one

1323
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:52,299
feels special to me

1324
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:55,990
and it feels two reasons one it feels

1325
00:51:00,539 --> 00:50:58,210
relevant right it feels like this stuff

1326
00:51:03,029 --> 00:51:00,549
is happening now and it speaks to not

1327
00:51:05,130 --> 00:51:03,039
just the historical period but it feels

1328
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,140
like it's about what's happening now you

1329
00:51:09,299 --> 00:51:07,119
have the fake news you have the Russians

1330
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:09,309
you have you know the sightings in the

1331
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:11,910
sky you have the paranoia we all feel

1332
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:15,160
about what is out there and it's about

1333
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:17,710
something you know and it's not just

1334
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:19,660
we're not just writing a show that's

1335
00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:22,180
about we're investigating UFOs it has it

1336
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:25,509
asks bigger questions um and it has

1337
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great character moments and character

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arcs for our characters I I like to say

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early on that you know look this is a

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show at its core about trying to

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identify the unidentifiable or attach an

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identity to something and that is life's

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work not just when it comes to the UFO

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phenomenon but when I look at character

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as well that's what we're all trying to

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do or Ultron to sort of dig deep and

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find out the recesses of who we are you

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know we're constantly changing and to be

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able to apply that to the characters in

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the writing it has been a wonderful

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marriage of both history and story and

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personal connection to it so um yes I

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stay as a jaded Hollywood writer this

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one is very special to me as a another

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jaded Hollywood resident I completely

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understand and I I couldn't agree more

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there's something truly special about

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this show from the writing to the acting

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to the overall message and and beyond

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like I said man

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they I try to remain objective and on

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the sidelines for many of these sorts of

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entertainment things but I am I am a

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super fan from episode one to ten and I

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hope we get more man but it premieres

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January 8th on the History Channel and

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what can we expect next from you well

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you know as a jaded Hollywood writer I'm

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working on a lot of stuff we are eagerly

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anticipating a season to pick up

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generally doesn't happen until after the

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show airs but given the amount of

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positive feedback in so far positive

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critical acclaim and just the marketing

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of it I have high hopes and so my

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energies I'm hoping to shift a hundred

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percent to back to blue book starting in

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the new year I certainly hope so Shawn

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so thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies my

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pleasure

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love what you're doing too so thank you

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that's it for this week's episode be

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sure to check out Project Blue Book

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premiering on the History Channel on

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January 8th check your local listings

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00:53:35,549 --> 00:53:33,790
for exact times also look forward to

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exclusive interviews with some of the

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actors in the near future be sure to

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